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  • What is it with you retards all trying to be 'first' to post something?

    Submitted by sickboy on Mar 21, 10 at 9:44am
  • Hollllly crap. This is the worst idea ever. It's just like everyone that voted for Obama. You will regret it.

    Submitted by sarajm35 on Mar 21, 10 at 11:03am
  • This is going to be the second worst mistake our country has ever made... Oboma being the first

    Submitted by 69_Charger on Mar 21, 10 at 11:37am
    • I'm no fan of Obamacare, but you need a sense of perspective. The worst mistake the US ever made was disco, and the second-worst was the Civil War.

      Submitted by Herschel on Mar 21, 10 at 12:35pm
      • the civil war ended slavery and unified the nation...

        Submitted by btfu4 on Mar 21, 10 at 1:01pm
        • The mistake wasn't made by Lincoln and the United States. They were in the right, of course. It was made by Davis and the Confederate States, the folk who started a war that killed half a million of their countrymen in a hopeless attempt to protect an brutal system of racist repression.

          Submitted by Herschel on Mar 21, 10 at 4:08pm
          • Actually herschel, you are not 100% correct. The south started the war to see if they could succeed from the union states. Slavery was an issue but not the reason for the war.

            Submitted by styx on Mar 21, 10 at 10:17pm
            • Yeah, but the reason that they wanted to leave was slavery. It's pretty explicitly laid out in all their declarations of independence.

              Submitted by Herschel on Mar 22, 10 at 12:16am
  • I don't think you guys realize that other countries have universal health care and they're much better off. You guys are ignorant, stupid asses. Give Obama a chance. Bush was the horrid one leaving Obama with so many problems so chill out!

    Submitted by noconcern on Mar 21, 10 at 12:51pm
    • no they are not. doctor's will make much less money just so the lazy ass mother of ten can collect welfare and now receive free health care. it is not ignorant for other people to actually want to keep more than 60% of the money they earn, asshole.

      Submitted by btfu4 on Mar 21, 10 at 1:03pm
    • What other countries that are doing sooo much better are you talking about? England? Did you know England is going BANKRUPT? Canada? Do you realize how long you'd have to wait for a transplant by relying on the government? France? They have a high unemployment rate and high drop-out rate. Before you call others ignorant, look into other nations' economies first please. Don't just spout shit off that you may have heard in passing when you really haven't researched it yourself.

      Submitted by queenofblingland on Mar 21, 10 at 3:22pm
      • To be fair, England and Canada have two of the worst systems of medicine in the developed world. If you want to compare things properly, look at systems like France's, Sweden's, and Switzerland's. They suck much less.

        Submitted by Herschel on Mar 21, 10 at 4:11pm
    • Bush and Obama both suck. The last really good President the US had was Eisenhower. As for which healthcare system leaves people better off, it's really hard to get good data. The US has the best healthcare at the top end and the shortest waiting lines for everyone, without question, but it's much less evenly distributed. The hard part is getting real-world data on what effect that has without confounding variables. For example, is low US life expectancy because of healthcare or gun crime and c

      Submitted by Herschel on Mar 21, 10 at 4:17pm
      • Got cut off. That was supposed to end "gun crime and car accidents?"

        Submitted by Herschel on Mar 21, 10 at 4:18pm
    • they aren't really better off, but the grass is greener\neveryone thinks their government sucks

      Submitted by aninja on Oct 31, 11 at 5:13pm
  • Health care reform is fucking retarded an if that passes then doctors around America will be completely ducked over. Obama is a dumbass.

    Submitted by lumberjackluck on Mar 21, 10 at 11:49am
  • Yea let's celebrate complete and utter disrespect for the consttition. Your parents should be so proud.

    Submitted by Anonymous on Mar 21, 10 at 10:07am
    • Really? Would you care to articulate how it destroys the constitution? Or did Glenn Beck not tell you that yet?

      Submitted by jack on Mar 21, 10 at 11:28am
      • Article I, Section 8 has a handy-dandy list of all the things Congress is allowed to do. This doesn't fit under any of them. Then again, the enumeration of powers has been a dead letter since FDR threatened to stack out the Supreme Court in the 1930s, so it's not like this is a new thing - exactly the same objection can be raised to Medicare, for example.

        Submitted by Herschel on Mar 21, 10 at 12:31pm
        • Nice try, but apparently you skipped over the Commerce Clause in Article 1 Section 8.

          Submitted by jack on Mar 21, 10 at 1:15pm
          • what part of the commerce clause are you referencing? i see nothing in there that could directly or indirectly mention anything about health care. this bill is a travesty and fingers crossed it will not go through. who do you think will be paying for it? us, baby. i make hardly enough money to pay my bills every month, i don't need another half of it going to pay for someone else's problems.

            Submitted by queenofblingland on Mar 21, 10 at 2:09pm
            • United States Congress shall have power "To regulate Commerce with foreign Nations, and among the several States..." This means (inter alia) that if a corporation does business across state lines, they are subject to federal regulation. Insurance is interstate commerce. (see U.S. v. South-Eastern Underwriters Ass'n)

              Submitted by jack on Mar 21, 10 at 2:41pm
            • Jack, health insurance is not interstate commerce. you cannot use insurance from your home state and go to another state and use it.

              Submitted by queenofblingland on Mar 21, 10 at 2:47pm
            • so, Jack, what exactly are you talking about? Or has Keith Olberman not told you that yet?

              Submitted by queenofblingland on Mar 21, 10 at 2:50pm
            • The supreme court disagrees with your 2:47 assertion. "In short, a nationwide business is not deprived of its interstate character merely because it is built upon sales contracts which are local in nature. Were the rule otherwise, few businesses could be said to be engaged in interstate commerce." Id. at 547

              Submitted by jack on Mar 21, 10 at 2:55pm
            • Your last argument seems to only apply to nationwide businesses. That is not what I am talking about. Nationwide businesses ARE interstate, yes. But many health insurance agencies are NOT nationwide, such as Blue Cross Blue Shield. They have different sects for each of the states they represent. You cannot use your BCBS of Illinois in Tennessee, you must use BCBS of TN. So the government cannot regulate these private sector businesses. Anyway, my point was, this health bill is unconstitutional, bad news.

              Submitted by queenofblingland on Mar 21, 10 at 3:17pm
            • Again, nice try. However, Blue Cross Blue Shield is engaged in interstate commerce (see Doctors, Inc. v. Blue Cross of Greater Philadelphia 490 F.2d 48)

              Submitted by jack on Mar 21, 10 at 3:37pm
            • i was unaware of that reference, TY for bringing it up. BCBS was a bad example. But, there are other private sector businesses that will be affected by this, such as 1 of our neighbors who runs a family-owned insurance business. I am not worried about the wording and twisting of words. You can interpret anything in any way if that's what you're fighting for. Premiums will skyrocket, the gov't will win because they don't have to raise their premiums. They have empty pockets that we pay f

              Submitted by queenofblingland on Mar 21, 10 at 3:51pm
          • That would be the *interstate* commerce clause. This bill applies to in-state transactions. Hence, it's outside the scope of the interstate commerce clause. If the bill only referenced transactions across state lines, then I'd agree with you. American jurisprudence on the topic of interstate commerce is deeply flawed as far as I'm concerned, and has completely lost sight of the entire purpose of a federalist system and the interstate commerce provision of the Constitution.

            Submitted by Herschel on Mar 21, 10 at 4:04pm
  • If healthcare reform is passed, we're screwed.

    Submitted by crogers2009 on Mar 21, 10 at 11:16am
  • Sucking off the governments teet

    Submitted by knickerbocker on Mar 21, 10 at 10:04am
  • People areee dumb.

    Submitted by FrankieTheTankie on Mar 21, 10 at 2:41pm
  • Lazy ass liberal

    Submitted by Anonymous on Mar 21, 10 at 2:52pm
  • Come on, mods. I come to TFLN to get away from politics. You post political crap, then these threads turn into what you see in the YouTube comments.

    Submitted by RMS1044 on Mar 22, 10 at 12:07am
  • Health Care Reform FTW!!!!

    Submitted by Five8Six_TWiP on Mar 22, 10 at 8:36am
  • What's so bad about healthcare?

    Submitted by Beaglehead on Mar 21, 10 at 2:28pm
    • Nothing - I rather like it. Don't use much myself, but it's good to know it's there if I need it. The question you should be asking is "What's wrong with an insurance mandate?". Obamacare isn't anything to do with healthcare, it's an insurance reform, and a remarkably bad one.

      Submitted by Herschel on Mar 21, 10 at 4:13pm
  • It's completely unconstitutional. I have a friend who's a constitutional lawyer and he has been saying how the government can't force people to buy health insurance. He and some other lawyers are gonna file lawsuits if it passes.

    Submitted by RtGxTLx on Mar 21, 10 at 5:30pm
  • 11:26. Maybe you should learn how to read. It DISRESPECTS it not destroys it. Don't drink too much koolaid it might give you a tummy ache.

    Submitted by Anonymous on Mar 21, 10 at 12:23pm
  • Funny that you bitch about his health care yet you neglect to see that we have the most expensive health care in the world and it currently ranks 37th in regards to care. Nope nothing wrong with that picture at all

    Submitted by evrythngisrltv on Mar 21, 10 at 5:44pm
  • There is absolutly NOTHING wrong with a national Heath care plain... As mentioned many other countries have one and are better off... HOWEVER THIS PARTICULAR one will basicly screw up everything and make all the trivial shit like common problems free but anything slightly more serious where you ACTUALLY need a doctor will cost each person hundreds of thousands cus insurance companies will be spread soo thin they won't be able to afford to cover it.

    Submitted by 69_Charger on Mar 21, 10 at 2:58pm
  • The government cant give anything to anyone that it doesnt take from someone else.

    Submitted by jlow57 on Mar 21, 10 at 11:50pm
  • When health care reform is passed, I'm going to leave the country.

    Submitted by [][][] on Mar 21, 10 at 10:15pm
  • Now u can throw a kegger. It was passed!

    Submitted by Brittney on Mar 21, 10 at 11:57pm
  • Holy crap! I feel like I just learned enough to run for congress after that debate.

    Submitted by styx on Mar 21, 10 at 10:13pm
  • This text is dumb and not funny. "you are the reason we need health care reform"?

    Submitted by Anonymous on Mar 21, 10 at 11:56pm
  • Screw health care

    Submitted by Anonymous on Mar 22, 10 at 1:28am
  • Obama is a dumb greasy nlgger this world is in deep trouble

    Submitted by greasynig on Mar 21, 10 at 12:47pm
  • you are the reason health care reform is so opposed

    Submitted by aninja on Oct 31, 11 at 5:12pm
  • lmao. u people get so damn fired up about all of this even though ur arguing on the internet and most of u have no idea wut ur talking about. i could submit a text on here that says nothing but "obama" and everybody on this site would suddenly become a politics major and it would spark the biggest debate in history. haha

    Submitted by hardrocker904 on Aug 24, 10 at 3:15am

    Submitted by theduce on Mar 21, 10 at 1:59pm
  • Wow, crazy conservatives throwing hissy fits in response to this text...who didn't see THAT one coming? People need to get a grip. It's TFLN, not CNN.

    Submitted by mrsc11 on Mar 21, 10 at 11:27pm
  • First :)

    Submitted by wuzzupyoung on Mar 21, 10 at 9:36am