looks like were buying each other an abortion for our one year present...
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Yep. I'm with 4:51 and whoever pointed out that only radical prolifers know women who use abortion as birth control. I don't think that happens as often as they want you to think. Abortion is like twenty times more expensive than a box of condoms.
I hear you, 11:23, but when your opponents aren't educated beyond scripture, it's important not to discount it. My family are pretty hardcore Baptists and sent my sister away for being a lesbian and blamed a girl that was molested by one of our neighbor's sons for being impure, a lot of bad stuff. I feel like I need to use my familiarity to balance the craziness, even as a deist.
i was raped at 16. don't make snap judgments when you don't know the full story 1:16. my brother came from a russian orphanage. do you know how bad those are and that we still have orphanages in the u.s.?
an unwanted pregnancy grows up an unwanted person.
6:16, you can't solve world peace, you idiot.
10:59 a child is actually born and alive. a fetus, however, could encounter/cause many difficulties before it's even born. thus making it potential. unless you take the bible literally and think life begins at conception. in which case i'm sure you are fine with slavery and against homosexuals and all the above.
11:48, read before you speak. once again, you've aligned yourself with a movement that doesn't support those things. silence is silent approval.
Um there have also been pleanty of questions presented by prolifers that were ignored. It goes both ways and both sides are guilty of being ignorant and not defending with logical answers but solely out of emotion
How I see this debate on TFLN:
Prolifers are emotional, illogical, and don't understand biology. Prochoicers are fair, supportive, and intelligent.
No wonder abortion is still legal.
So not only should you have a shitty life, but your baby should too. It's not worth ruining-yes, ruining your life over.
If you don't like abortion, you don't have to get one. But don't presume to make someone else's medical decisions for them.
10:24 why would she undergo that operation to get her tubes tied just on the off chance that she might ever get pregnant and have an abortion? they both amount to the same thing, she won't be having kids... you could at least pretend to be sympathetic.
Abortion isn't a get out of jail free card or an alternative to using contraception. It's a last resort, and it should be available and legal for that reason. Simple as. Women have a right to their own reproductive system, don't they?
If you don't like it, don't get it. But not everyone can subscribe to your world view.
i agree with u 6:14... theres nothing like a nice warm fudge hole to fill to avoid a fuck trophy!
Paternity child support needs to be reformed, not abortion. You need to rethink your battle.
10:39 -- praise God for people like you.
sometimes I think I'm alone out here.
- another Christian fundamentalist pro-lifer
If you are prolife, that's okay. But please, at least be a little educated if you want to start a debate on this.
the point of sex is reproduction?? yeesh.
that's stupid. the man can't say anything because you'd get to a disagreement where his say counts more than the woman's. which is stupid because he doesn't own her body.
I'm not Christian or even prolife but I think that abortion is up to the parents, personally I would never allow an abortion in my family but that's just me
i hope to never had an abortion, don't get me wrong. but more than that, i hope to never have a child that i won't be able to give the life they deserve. pro-choicers aren't pro-abortion - no one is. the point is, there is a decision process. and we should be able to make it ourselves without the law hunting us down if we decide a certain way, and without being persecuted by pro-lifers for having that abortion that hopefully is a sensitive subject for anyone.
Uhhhhhh so not cool!!!!
Do you remember getting circumcised? No? Ever remember getting a shot when you were a baby? Nope? I doubt the fetus will remember any pain either.
Tying the tubes actually has really severe consequences.
And where did I say anything about it being a difficult decision? Besides, plenty of people treat accidentally pregnancies lightly when they're keeping it. You'll get all kinds.
I love to get my holes raped by monster black cock. After that I feel guilty, so I go and blow my priest. He calls out to God and Jesus while I swallow his holiest of holies, so fuck you all.
if you don't want an abortion for yourself but let others decide for themselves, then good news, you are pro-choice!! a choice implies two options, (a) abortion, (b) having the child. up to you, ladies
oh gee 10:54. i wonder. wtf
i was in a series of foster homes from 9 to 18. i'm glad i wasn't aborted but SO MANY KIDS are never adopted. that's not the answer unless you wanna outlaw in vitro or something.
nothing like a good uterine scraping. the ultimate detox.
11:25 if you're saying in defense for it's fallacies then you can't just pick and choose what parts of the bible are correct and you want to believe and shun other parts because the book isn't perfect.
It's a crappy place to be, but I've been there too. Do what's best for you and if people give you crap (especially on here... really??) just remember that they've likely never been there.
Makes me a bit sad.
The man has no say because he isn't carry the baby. Women can and will continue to get abortions, for whatever reason that may be. The end.
i'm an atheist but i was raised a christian and no one ever taught me to judge or hate on others for their opinions... so just make your own damn choices, everyone, and quit yer preaching!!
Lol fried babies are yummy
That's sad. Have it and give it up for adoption? Just sayin.
If I was dumb enough to treat abortion like birth control, I would never tell anyone about it. How do all these pro-lifers conveniently know someone who had six abortions and treats it flippantly?
3:03- you are an ignorant asshole. Just bc someone is Christian does not mean they don't have sex and drink and party. Fucking dumbass
I'm prolife and I almost didn't exist. My mom was 16 years old when he got pregnant and 17 when I was born. It hasn't been the easiest, but Christ, I'm glad I am alive. And not all prolife people are defending it b/c they can't keep frm gettig pregnant cause they want more brainwashed children. Personally, I don't want kids. Ever. Prochoice people are just as biased as prolife people. It isn't all one way or the other.
That's horrible.. Not something someone with morals would joke about.
I think most prolifers have a problem with people using abortion as a form of birth control. I have a coworker who can't remember to take the pill and doesn't like using condoms (with her spouse, she's not a whore), so if she gets pregnant she just gets an abortion like it's no big deal at all. She's had 4 in the last couple years. I think that's ridiculous and irresponsible.
Every woman has a choice. No matter how badly you want to take that from her, right now, you cant. So go back to your bible and shut up.
Been there before and sometimes it is the best thing to do.
Fail. fuck trophy down the drain.
This is not sick because this woman is choosing abortion(which I disagree with but that is her discision not mine). It is sick because the carelessness of having to make this descion is being taken so lightly.
3. Married couples get abortion. Why should they not be allowed to ever consummate their relationship if they don't want children? Why don't you tell the pro-life movement to stop protesting birth control and feeding incorrect information to students?
Why would your mother tell you she had an abortion. F A K E.
Also, in Leviticus 27:1-7, where it assigns worth to the genders based on shekels of silver, children aren't even counted until the age of five. In Numbers 3:15-16, children aren't even counted until one month after birth. I'm a biblical scholar who knows scripture forwards and back as well as ancient Greek. You're going to lose this argument badly if you continue. Abortion is a mature, responsible choice.
Fuck off. You all think it's totally ok to get baked and teach class, but a woman having a legal procedure is a huge deal?
Simple solution, if you don't want a baby, don't have sex.
If you use a condom it's only 97% effective.
Don't bash someone because they believe in one thing or another, you throw a fit one someone doesn't agree with you, then you go and talk shit about someone else?
I'm so glad I'm not in high school anymore <3
as if christians weren't behind segregation (and slavery) in the first place! there's no point arguing with prolifers.
i'm pro choice and so are my daughters. i was bedridden my last four months and had a c-section to deliver the twins. abby and marissa should grow up knowing reproductive freedom.
Did you know Bristol Palin is now a spokesperson for abstinence and Sarah Palin is telling people not to use birth control? Why do people who disagree with abortion do that?!
this is sick. you probably made this up so you could post something on this site and seem cool. fuck you.
dear 10:48 i also sarcastically called homosexuality sinful and implied that you misread the bible so i was confused when you agreed with me, unless you really think that?
I didn't know "eye for an eye" meant that, 9:45! I never read the whole passage before, I guess.
That's because prolifers are cowards, 12:14. Which is a shame because I'd be curious too.
I think the problem with most pro-lifers is they feel they should be allowed to imposse their views on everone else. Abortion is legal, unless you are going to carry the fetus to term and raise the baby you don't have the right to say a damn thing. For myself I'm pro-life, however, I can not pretend to know what is right for someone else.
"fits the way you want to live"
I wanted to raise a child when I am mature, long-term coupled, and financially stable. That's when I CHOSE to give birth, because it fit the way I wanted to live. I would never want someone who didn't want kids or didn't want kids at a certain time to feel guilty for making a responsible choice.
i had an abortion when I was 16. I was fortunate to have parents that supported me in whatever I chose to do. I had the abortion because i was 16, and in no way capable of raising a child. A lot of people think adoption is a better way but not necessarily. I wasn't strong enough to give away my own child or raise it. So I chose abortion. It was hard, but I don't regret it.
Hail satan. All who support abortion worship the dark lord in the darkest hour. Repent for yall can still be saved
i find the whole debate over whose choice it is (the man's or the woman's) somewhat absurd -- if you were close enough to have sex together, can you not talk it out like responsible adults? ultimately i do believe that it's the woman's decision, but hopefully both people can support each other in this decision-making process or else why were you fucking in the first place
Abortion is legal so...what are you really gonna do about it?
i respect the beliefs of different religions - those people don't have to get abortions. being prochoice doesn't disrespect anybody's religion.
okay well we're not in ancient times back in the day nor are we in greece. so i agree with the girl who has an amazing daughter. maybe if you people actually studied what they do to an unborn baby you would have a little more sympathy. but hell. who cares right? im sure it doesnt hurt to be stabbed in the base of the neck anyways..
Why are people so dumb. Those "babies" can't even feel anything or have any cognitive ability to realize what's going on. Jesus Christ
People say oh just put it up for adoption like it's so easy. Just shut the fuck up, you sound like an ignorant piece of shit.
Wow..people need to relax. For whatever reason a woman decides to get an abortion, what right do you have to judge her? Mind your own business and get on with your own life.
how is babby form?
how girl get pregnant?
Scramble the braaaaains =O
just wanted to say, I'm prochoice and I adopted.
I'm pro choice all the way I've had an abortion myself
any procedure that interferes with god's work is sinful. any sexual relationship that isn't between a husband and wife is sinful. i probably should stop posting on tfln because it endorses these sins by allowing free speech. i'll go misread the bible instead.
- christian fundamentalist pro-lifer
whole lotta christians on here. i must have stumbled onto an american site... throw this debate into the international forum and the prolifers would be eaten alive
No the baby might not, but the point is that I will give you or anyone the right to do whatever they want with their lives, but when you bring another human life into the picture, you have no right to end that life just because it fits the way you want to live
4:12 where did you hear of such a thing? In church? On FOX news? There have been legal proposals requiring doctors to refer patients for treatments they "conscientiously object" to, that's all.
So basically you are saying it's better to kill an inocent unborn child who is growing and developing everyday, rather than give them up for adoption and give them the opportunity of having a good family in a good home? Of course not everyone gets adopted and orphanges in Russia are bad and what not but that doesn't mean we just kill the child. Hitler
Pro life is fascism.
if scientists can put fertilized eggs in his body then let him keep the baby.
NOT YOUR CHILD, NOT YOUR CHOICE TO MAKE.
What makes you think you have any right to someone else's body?
It's hard for someone to respect your beliefs when there are people with your same beliefs calling pro-choicers evil and should die, etc.
fetus sounds too harsh... baby is more human --- 10:20
4:27 the difference between your mom stopping cancer treatments and someone getting an abortion is that you mom chose to die peacefully, and an abortion kills an innocent baby who never got the chance to decide whether he/she wanted to live or not.
4:07, my point was that the man should have a choice too because it is his baby
It is a fetus, not a child.
There is more to think about in this situation then the fetus.
For one the person themself may not be capable of going through pregnancy.
1:00(2) do some research on the pro-life movement. That will answer you question.
No I wasn't u sinner
OMG! Never ever get a tubal ligation!!!! Make your husband get a vasectomy!!! You still get periods but they get a thousand times worse, so heavy and painful! And it makes you a high risk for cervical cancer!
Study what they do to an unborn baby? I take it you're not a doctor and don't know what you're talking about. You probably think Silent Scream was a real video.
God intends the body to have sex only for reproduction all of ye sinners! Repent repent!
10:51 sorry, but this is the real world. People have sex, whether it's for pleasure or reproduction. No one should be judged based on that. I think you should be a little more concerned with your own life, rather than putting more pressure on people who have that choice to make. I had an abortion when I was 17, and it was the hardest decision of my life, but I made the right choice.
Abortion is legal, so whether you agree with it or not, it's something women can choose to do. Get over it.
What are you doing for the child when they're given up, 4:24? Apparently you believe in putting a kid up for adoption and leaving them to rot there. You're dismissive of the millions of kids who won't know a good family. What about them?
They did have abortions in biblical times. They were induced by herbs. Funny thing, the Koran allows abortion during the first trimester.
I make my choice.
You make yours.
Don't worry about anyone but yourself.
3:50, that's EXACTLY what doctors are already allowed to do.
Fuck u 11:15 I'm a homosexual black male who happens to not believe in god plus my sister ha an abortion so fuk off
My fellow pro-choicers have asked several important questions about what happens with no abortion. Is any pro-lifer brave enough to answer them?
What do you think happens to kids that don't get adopted? The ones born premature to young mothers with physical and mental problems? Mixed race kids?
The world doesn't need any more babies.
It doesn't matter what the legal status is of abortion, women will find a way to get one if need be and there is nothing you can do about it.
Not everyone believes in god. Sorry to disappoint.
Oh, apparently I worship Satan.
Yes, I thank my parents for choosing to have me when they were ready, not leaving my life up to chance. Nice try, though.
actually you can STUDY and take a test on the various procedures for abortion. its called taking health classes
4:17, No, that's not where I heard it. Stop stereotyping and making overgeneralizations. It was either cbs or abc.
3:57, Obama signed a bill that removes some of the job protection for doctors who refuse to perform abortions
Pro-lifers fail. I mean, they really do..since abortion is still legal.
Actually, if you read ancient Greek versions of the Bible, discounting the Old Testament, homosexuality is not condemned. Those were mistranslations of words like arsenokoites, which is elsewhere translated when referring to heterosexuals. As the Bible was edited again and again, people wrote in their own opinion.
What iffff like 10000000 ppl got abortions?!?!? Think of all the food we'd save!!!!! XD
Lol 10:45 3. Niceeeee
to all you pro choice people out there:
just be damn happy your parents didn't decide that you weren't a "real" human when you were in the womb.
who cares about circumstance?
because if they had, you'd be silent.
10:09 aren't you glad you got to make that choice? that makes you pro-choice even if you kept the child, and i am happy that you made the right decision.. for you.
One less person in the world! Hurray!
I, sadly had an abortion early into a relationship with the man I am now married to. Sometimes you have to do something that hurts to help another . That child had and uncertain future, and I felt that, as my child I had a right to do my best for him/her.don't think for a second that it didn't cause me a great deal of pain- but I don't regret it. We have two awesome kids now, btw.
Sorry, 6:41. You tried to make a literary joke and used "right" instead of "write." You're not by chance the alleged English teacher who was defending Twilight on another text...?
the only real message here is to use protection (contraception, plan B, swallowing, anal...). 2 people met, they fucked, they were stupid and now they want to not be more stupdi and have a child that neither of them want. Life is not Mr. Roger's Neighborhood, people.
i get what pro choice is saying. but have some respect for people of different religions and beliefs. seriously now.
I have a hunch 9:42 is a guy. What's the problem? Women waiting for marriage instead of waiting at home for you with a cocktail, chasing careers instead of little dickheads like their daddy?
Ahahahahaha, dead baby what a classic! It probably wasn't even yours!
You are a fucking piece of shit if you have an abortion. Put them up for adoption! They should have to suffer for you already
11:48, you're illogical because you have no understanding of biology and social consequence. How's that for starters?
10:28 you should really try to harmonize your opinions if you think abortion is wrong but have no problem telling someone "I hope u die in a horrific accident!" because they disagree
U have the right to abortion but making a joke of it is very wrong
I will never understand the mind of a pro-lifer.
I know what abortion is and I have no problem with it. I have a heart condition that could be aggravated by pregnancy. Does that mean if a condom breaks with my husband, I have no control over my womb and overrall health if you had your way, because you think a fetus is worth more than my life?
You fucking sinner...
I'm a Christian who believes abortion is often the best choice and a fetus should not be confused with an adult. You don't know anything about my beliefs.
especially one written by many different people, pieced together, then unchanged for almost 2000 years... change can be positive, you know.
11:19 well if you read ancient versions of the bible you'll also see that the resurrection wasn't in there...good bye foundatoin of chrisitanity
Ohhh. Didn't know god was racist too!
i see how loving a human child is emotional, but i don't see how that's negative.
just because i'm prolife doesn't mean i'm unfair.
i have friends who have had abortions and i love them and respect them for that choice.
but i think it's wrong to have an abortion.
it's not illogical to have sympathy for someone who's just a little bit smaller than we are
-- a baby in the womb
Millions of kids and teenagers languish in group homes and foster care. What's the point of bringing another life into the world when so many children cannot be cared for? Overpopulation is real. You need to put your emotions aside and consider this logically.
Well, it would be both of their babies, so it's essentially their abortion. One procedure.
I'm confused. It sounds like the OP and her lesbian girlfriend both accidentally got pregnant and both are paying for the other's abortion for their 1 year anniversary.
Sorry to break it up like that, but TFLN was not allowing me to submit the full text. You obviously have this preconceived image of selfish and irresponsible women with double standards getting abortions. You have no idea of the reality of it. It has been proven that countries with legal abortion have the lowest rates, whereas countries with highly restrictive laws often have the highest, like Brazil. You have approached the debate without any relevant points.
What questions from prolifers? Several people already answered the "what if you were aborted" query. And obviously we don't think swallowing the same as abortion - it's a play on your irrational potential for life argument. Ask any other question.
i'd assume the second 11:15 is being sarcastic but honestly i don't know anymore!! crazy world
my parents became parents by CHOICE not CHANCE.
4:46, you are ignorant because you can't track the occurrancy. Pretending that there aren't numerous reasons for abortion beyond flagrant irresponsibility will only further discredit your position.
For over half of the first trimester, the fetus isn't even a fetus. It's an embryo. It should not be confused with a sentient, self-sustaining child.
I look at abortion the sane way I look at miser and the death penalty: there is no one on this earth who is deemed worthy of choosing when a life should be ended.
And yes, a fetus is a child. It grows and develops every day just as a newborn baby, toddler, adolesent does
why is there even debate over whether there should or shouldn't be choice? there will always be a choice, whether abortion is legal or not. it seems only that prolifers have made up their minds already. i wonder how many of you have actually been faced with a decision of this weight?
it's too bad abortions weren't around in biblical times so we could all know once and for all how we're supposed to think
Satan isn't real catholic fuck
10:54. I wish there were more of us educated people in this world
my baby is pro-choice. i chose to be a parent. you can choose what's right for you, i don't do that for anyone else.
Not cute. Not funny.
Murder is the act of killing a human being. Fetuses are not considered human beings.
I am all for people having a religion and doing something they believe in. Respect me and I'll respect you, so shove your beliefs down my throat, and I'll shove something else down yours.
No I wasn't u sinner
September 22, 2009 11:20PM
I don't know the bible very well but is there something in there about loving thy neighbour?? I'd get on that before you burn in hellfire if I were you
10:19 just for the statement "I don't want kids. Ever." may you never get pregnant, because that will be one hell of an unhappy child you have
yep responsible thing is for both people to pay
what about maternity leave 12:07? who pays for EVERYTHING? what happens to the father in all of this?
You Christians are going to be really pissed when you get to heaven and find out it's not there.
And the pro-choice idiots who think discarded/swallowed sperm and a girl having her period is the same as an abortion, are you serious? I sure hope not. That's ignorant, and yet pro-choicers call pro-lifers ignorant?
I thought Catholics taught the Bible as an allegory. Besides, they have the best stories in the canon, like Judith. War, sexual intrigue, femme fatales, and beheading!
...and that's why you should have stuck it in her pooper.
1:32 you're an idiot. Putting a child up for adoption doesn't ensure a good life for them. Also you are not taking into account the cost of having a child due to our shit healthcare system, who's to say the person deciding on am abortion even has the finacial capability of a safe and healthy pregnancy and childbirth
Pro-choice all the way.
4. And guess what? Another life is not YOUR decision anyway.
Prochoicer: I will choose what's right for me. You will choose what's right for you.
Prolifer: Oh my whitemalechristian God, that's so disrespectful. I deserve to tell everyone what to do!
Abortion is murder no matter what the circumstance is.
why? because i can control my sexual desires?
well, i guess you're right. i'm happy over here.
That's good birth control, and it's not murder...a girl having her period would be murder under that way if thinkig...stupid god loving hippies
Wait... Why are christians on TFLN?
i agree. it's sad.
boo fucking hoo abortion isnt murder... do you eat meat? hmm? all of you people saying abortion is wrong just think about the poor little cows and piggies you shove into your judgemental mouths... and i bet some of you people saying abortion is wrong would do it if you got into a situation like, being way to young or getting raped.. yeah suck it.
I agree that it's not smart to take on a responsibility you can not/ will not care for. But it doesn't change the fact that things could have been done to prevent it from even happening in the first place, and if it still happened. It should not be treated as a joke. No matter how ok it is, it is still a HUGE undertaking that, if she is not shallow even a little, she will have emotional repercussions forever.
I have never had the pleasure of meeting someone who is pro-life, and I thank my "dark lord" for that.
why don't you fundamentalists go join the text about the Duggars and having 19 children. because if we know who's responsible about sex, it's Christians, always getting the wrong message from a book they try to literally read.
10:28s parents shouldve used a coat hanger on her
Did O. Henry right this short story?
lol you tell a pro lifer by their spelling!
Thank you, that's the inherent problem, 4:20. I have no problem absolving fathers from financial responsibility post-birth, possibly with a contract. But just as the father could never make a woman get an abortion against her will, he could never make her NOT have an abortion against her will.
end the debate: not your baby, not your business!
To answer 1:16-
Accidents happen. No matter how careful or educated you may be, something can go wrong.
Pro-lifers will never win. You've given your voices to misogynist men and religious fundamentalists and collectively opposed the very things proven to reduce the need for abortion. The political party you've chosen wasn't always so fond of government involvement. And women don't like risking their lives for a fetal parasite.
10:10... do you understand the book of Job? You'd have to know what he's talking about to get the passage. The other two are, again, out of context.
there is no one on this earth who is deemed worthy of choosing what someone else should do with their physical health and seed.
"If men strive, and hurt a woman with child, so that her fruit depart from her, and yet no mischief follow: he shall be surely punished, according as the woman's husband will lay upon him; and he shall pay as the judges determine. And if any mischief follow, then thou shalt give life for life, Eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot, Burning for burning, wound for wound, stripe for stripe." - Exodus 21: 22-25
See? The fetus is not considered a life.
A man cannot take over a woman's uterus. That's why he doesn't get a say. It's not his health at risk carrying a baby for nine months. He doesn't deal with kidney problems, heart trouble, spiking blood pressure, gestational diabetes, etc.
a woman gets her period when there is no fertilized egg in her uterus...how is the lack of a fertilized egg killing something?
I went to catholic school my whole life. My family is catholic, but as I got older I found the bible to be nothing to me, it was just a book full of stories. Not something I will refer to in day to day situations.
I honestly don't care what the bible said. The bible means shit to me
10:39 #2 -- well then i guess you sarcastically wrote down my actual opinion.
whether or not you agree with me, how can one safely say that prolifers are emotional and forceful and disrespectful of other people's opinions and decisions...
when someone like you is that disrespectful of my beliefs? sounds like..
10:35 if i was never born... then what? would i be a soul trapped without a body? what sort of conclusion would i be able to reach if my parents had opted not to have me?? it's not relevant. things happen one way, there's no point in speculating about some parallel life that did or didn't happen
there is definately something wrong with you... abortion is murder and it's wrong.
6:07...I really hope that was an Always Sunny quote! from the gang goes gihad
1. Please give a real life reference for a woman murdered on her way to getting an abortion. Those double homicide laws are usually applied when the fetus is well past the legal cutoff for abortion. A lot of pro-choicers I know don't agree with that legal loophole anyway, though there is a difference if the mother has chosen to carry her pregnancy to term.
God did not write the bible. get the fuck over it
It's sad, to have your life ran by a book.
you'd be dead. whatever that translates into for you, buddy.
I'm not a hippie and I don't believe in abortions. It is murder no matter what you say. No, I am also not a republican.
Simple: it's not a man's body, so it's not his choice.
for crying out loud, murder is the act of killing PEOPLE! not the potential would-be children of the future! there is a difference. if that were so wrong, virginity would be a cardinal sin.
but infections and a destroyed uterus is forever <3
6:16, it solved overpopulation!
Morality is relative, 12:28. "Steal a loaf of bread to feed your starving family" relative. The earlier you understand this, the smarter you'll be.
in other words, i exaggerated every to such a point i thought no one out there would agree, but i guess i was wrong.
A fetus is what the term for a baby in the womb. Get your words straight dumb fucks
lmao. maybe you have issues telling male and female apart. wth makes you think 9:42 is a guy? like at all..
thank youu 11:48! (:
10:35 plenty of people here have already addressed that fallacy.
We fix pets to keep the animal population under control.
Abortion is fine. You're lucky we don't sterilize pro lifers.
Why waste a couple of perfectly good abortions? Just out a bullet in each other and be done with it. You will be doing the wiorld a favor, whores.
Oh 765. Hopefully you actually go to purdue and aren't just another townie.
the only reason the "pro-life" thing is still going strong is those people keep accidentally getting pregnant, have more babies than the rest of us and instill this "fertilised eggs have feelings" bullshit in their children's minds...
emotional repercussions forever? someone's a drama queen. when i think of the abortion i had i feel relieved. i got it taken care of early enough all i had to do was take pills (no not plan b). that kid was medically high risk and i couldn't afford prenatal care anyway. you can bet it was relieved too.
love thy neighbor and know thy enemy, 11:26(4). that's smart.
10:23 u r a sick fuck of a woman. I hope u die in a horrific accident! God hearing people talk about their children this way is disgusting. If u didn't already know this u were at one point a fetus urslef Thank ur parents for not being as cruel a u
I've been there made my choice an havethe most amazing daughter in the world to show for it... Itis murder when someone has a heartbeat and u take that away it's murder plain and simple
Abortion IS murder, and a fetus is a baby. At 16 weeks, the baby (yes baby, not fetus) has a face, can suck his/her fingers, stretch (there are 3D ultrasounds that make it possible to see. Spend some time around a pregnant woman who wants her baby and can feel it move - would you be able to tell her that it's ok to kill her baby? That it's not a person, just a 'fetus'?
Abortion is legal for a reason..many reasons acty. Banning it would be stupid, because women will do it anyway. Give up, let the woman choose.
"i get what pro choice is saying. but have some respect for people of different religions and beliefs. seriously now."
tolerating other beliefs makes you pro-choice, if you believe i have a right to my own as well. it doesn't mean you would ever have an abortion yourself.
10:58 so a child is just a potential adult? Nah didn't think so
Read your precious Bible again. It doesn't assign any worth to a fetus.
10:56 is extremely offensive.
10:46 asks again: Can a prolifer please explain the benefit of bringing new life into an overpopulated world when millions of kids are never adopted?
umm...I was raped and I got pregnant..but unlike you assholes I had the baby! And he means the world to me! So before you say that it's not very likely...think again!
U shall all burn with Satan and all those who turn their backs on God, Jesus and the catholic church: abortionists, atheists, gays, blacks, etc
sex can be pleasure too. not just reproduction. safe sex is the way to go, obviously, but procreation is not the be-all and end-all
Can a prolifer please explain the benefit of bringing new life into an overpopulated world when millions of kids are never adopted?
actually if you payed attention to the bible when you read, it does. smart ass. a baby in the fetus with a heartbeat is a PERSON. i can understand if your like 13 and pregnant but if you just dont give a shit then in a lot of ways its wrong. theres always adoption
Does anyone else find it funny that this converstaion is happening on a website made primarily by drunken texts?
10:51 Prolifer, why should you give birth to a mistake?
This is nothing to laugh about.
2. Why is it acceptable for the father to keep the mother from an abortion if he can't make her get one? Why should her health suffer? Who pays for that and any subsequent lifelong health problems after pregnancy?
Solely out of emotion? You're the side saying you don't want to call a baby a fetus. I've seen a lot of passion from prochoicers, but all their statements are logical. Prolifers ignore every consequence - environmental sustainability, a woman's health, the reality of adoption, etc. - in their responses. They make up statistics. They ignore science and history.
4:04 & 4:06, it was on the news last spring that Obama was signing a bill to either make it illegal for a doctor to refuse to perform abortions or the bill would revoke some of the protections that doctors have. It wasn't for medically necessary abortions, and even privately funded Catholic hospitals would have to perform abortions. Maybe he didn't actually sign it and was only considering. I haven't heard anything about it since then.
That's total bullshit!!
4:03, are those medically necessary abortions? There was a case in my hometown a few years ago when a woman died because her doctors wouldn't let her get an abortion to get chemotherapy. They said she was too far along.
10:42 i'm hoping you read my sarcasm properly?
- 10:39 (#2)
So it's better to give birth to a crackbaby than to not give birth at all? What kind of life would that baby have? What if you got raped and got pregnant, would YOU want their baby? There are more reasons than just "not being ready"
all you pro-life people aren't being very eloquent....
to the point - this text kinda makes me sick. why would you kill your child?
ugh i dont understand the world today.
just because it is legal doesn't mean it is right...segregation used to be legal. But a small group of people realized it was wrong and fought to fix it. That's what the pro-life movement is about.
Poor babie didn't deserve a chance to live maybe could have solved world peace. =[
I don't believe in using abortion as birth control as that is just irrisponsible(can't spell) but in situations that are varied it is their choice...I believe excessive numbers of elective abortions is crazy but you know it's still not my life therefore not my choice I have my opinions and you have yours I won't force you to get an abortion and you don't have the right to stop me...
why does anybody ever think it's acceptable to make medical decisions for their neighbors.
when my mom stopped her cancer treatments to die peacefully, i would never have jabbed the need back in her arm and said, no! you're killing a human being! it's not right and i know better than you!
Ok so the one thing is why is it just the womans choice? Last I knew she didn't make that baby on her own and what is the father wanted to raise it and pay for the procedures? But no it's all up to the woman according to many. But if it were born then the father would have to pay child support even if he wanted an abortion. And why is it that if a woman is walking to get an abortion and gets hit by a car it's still a double homicide?
There is a difference between voicing your beliefs and telling people what's right. When you believe in something, you should be well aware that it is a BELIEF. There is no right or wrong, and should acknowledge that not everyone feels the same way.
Well, you've aligned yourself with a movement that doesn't support those things, 11:05. And they're taking rights away from women who decide to keep their pregnancies. You can be prolife as a pro-choicer, so that's your fault for not understanding the difference.
3:58, if the woman wanted to have the baby and the man wanted an abortion, the woman would still be able to get child support from the man. The man doesn't get a choice there either?
Wat do u mean u ppl?
4:17, and my point was that he doesn't suffer any of the physical and mental consequences, and that's why he doesn't get a choice until he carries it himself.
What are these screaming gas-bag Christians doing on TFLN? Shouldn't they be reading about Holy dingleberries and not walks of shame?
8:50 and that can kill you
3:38, it may not be the man's body, but it's still his baby. he should have a say too.
it's because prolifers live in a moral vacuum. they don't care that their tactics lead to more unwanted pregnancies as long as they impose christian fascism on the population.
I didn't say I was a Christian. Just a bible scholar. It's important to have educated people on the other side when fundamentalists are getting out of hand.
I carried my pregnancy to term and have a beautiful four year old girl. And I also developed gestational diabetes and a heart murmur. Who pays for the prenatal care if prolifers ban abortion? What happens to all the sickly women afterwards?
Shit like this is NOT funny! WTH is wrong with you people?!
11:48 how are prochoicers rude? I don't know..I'm not seeing it.
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Go read Ecclesiastes 4:3, Ecclesiastes 6:3-6, and Job 10:18-19, which TFLN will not let me post. The Bible does not value the unborn.
Psalm 127:3 "Lo, children are an heritage of the LORD: and the fruit of the womb is his reward"
"life begins at the moment of conception" is what the priest teaches. and what christians believe. its ultimately your choice. no one can decide for you. my opinion is that if you have a good enough reason then go ahead.
6:16, there is so much wrong with that sentence I'm not sure where to even start. babie? And you said the "babie" didn't deserve a chance to live, then go on to make it sound like you think it did deserve to live.
Doctors should be able to decide if they do abortions or not. If they don't believe in abortion they shouldn't be forced to perform them. Instead they could refer the patient to a dr. who will do it. And also refer the patient to a place that may inform her of all her choices.
after twenty years of marriage my mom had an abortion. it's not whores who get abortions shit happens.
I'm pro life for myself and pro choice for everyone else! I don't know why ppl don't see it this way!
Guys, you don't know that someone who gets an abortion wasn't already using birth control. One time my boyfriend of four years didn't roll the condom all the way down and it actually slipped. I didn't get pregnant, but shit happens.
I went to get a pap smear at a woman's clinic and they wouldn't do it before giving me a pregnancy test! It was an antiabortion place. How are those not shut down for medical malpractice?
you know, i'm not upset about being hypothetically aborted. i enjoy my life but i'm not doing much of importance and my parents have my sisters. so i wouldn't mind being aborted, when you guys keep asking that, it's not going to change any minds.
10:23- get your tubes tied or somethin...
If you aren't responsible enough to handle the consequences of having sex aka raising a child, giving a baby up for adoption, etc, then you are not responisble enough to be having sex. 16 year old having an abortion bc they weren't nature enough to have a child are damn well not mature enough to be having sex
good thing satan is as made up as your white male god.